Emerald City Contra Dance Set Lists
We started recording set lists in 2019. If you don’t see a recent program, check back in a week or two.
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Dances called 6 times in 2025 (January through October):
– Once More With Feeling – Isaac Banner
3 times:
– A-1 Reel – Chris Weiler
– Chuck the Budgie – Rick Mohr
– Craggy Gardens – Becky Hill
– Folklife Frolic – Lindsey Dono
– Foxglove – Tom Thoreau
– Homeward Bound – Andrea Nettleton
– Last Hey – Isaac Banner
– MAD About Dancing – Robert Cromartie
– Minimum Fuss, Maximum Fun – Dean Snipes
– Simplicity Swing – Becky Hill
– The Baby Rose – David Kaynor
2025
November 21 – Ben Douglas & Elisabeth Monica with The Baby Corns
- Get Me Going – Lisa Greenleaf
- Bill’s Grits – Tom Lehmann
- Emma’s Emergency – Maia McCormick
- The Carousel – Tom Hinds
- Once More With Feeling – Isaac Banner
Set break - Fire in the Hall – Chuck Abell
- The Eyes Have It – Becky Hill
- Fire in the Tunnel (variation) – Yoyo Zhou
- In the Firefly Light We Dance – Don Flaherty
November 14 – Amy Wimmer with Burke, Taylor, & Traxler
- If You Can Walk You Can Dance – Luke Donforth
- Lucy’s Dance – Gene Hubert
- Young Adult Rose – David Kaynor
- Rock the Cradle Joe – Ridge Kennedy
- Sarah’s Journey – Gene Hubert
- Lanny’s Back – Erik Weberg
Set break - Variation on William Watson’s “McKenzie River” – Susie Kendig
- Young at Heart (variation) – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Feet in Flight (variation) – Dale Rempert
- The Eyes Have It – Becky Hill
November 7 – George Marshall with CounterCurrent
- Broken Sixpence – Don Armstrong
- Get Me Going – Lisa Greenleaf
- Trip to Lambertville – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Earl & Squirrel – Chris Weiler
- Folklife Frolic – Lindsay Dono
- Tica Tica Timing – Dean Snipes
Set break - Notorious First Date – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Cara’s – Tom Hinds
- Just Keep Balancing – Heather Carmichael
- Ghee – Drew Delaware
October 31- Sherry Nevins with Blueberry Jam
- Reel Easy (variation) – Cary Ravitz
- Easy Street (variation) – Bob Isaacs
- Allen’s Groundhog – Elinor Preston
- Once More With Feeling – Isaac Banner
- Mad, Mad World (variation) – Martha Wild
- McKenzie River – William Watson
Set break - Sashenka – Joseph Erhard-Hudson
- Little Black Dress – Melanie Axel-Lute
The Second Time Around (variation) – Jim Kitch
Citronella Morning (variation) – Bill Olson - Peace Thru Dance – Perry Shafran
October 24 – Penelope Weinberger with Pajamajam
- Festival Reel 7 – Will Mentor
- After the Solstice – Lisa Greenleaf
- Leap of Faith – Bob Isaacs
- Cows are Watching – Bill Pope & Judy Goldsmith
- Butter – Gene Hubert
Set break - Three thirty-three – Steve Zakon Anderson
- Mr. Isaac’s Magic – Sue Rosen
- Hey Fever – Everest Whitman
- Burning the Bacon – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Vallimont’s Silver Hammer – Luke Donforth
October 17 – Maya Roe with GinSu
- Accretion Reel – Chris Page
- Essex Reel – Tony Parkes
- Appetizer – Scott Higgs
- First of November – Isaac Banner
- Hay in the Barn – Chart Guthrie
- Hellooo Nurse! – Maya McCormick
Set break - Colorful Corner – Tom Thoreau
- All the Way Over & All the Way Back – Jacqui Grennan
- You Can’t Get There From Here – Carol Ormand
- Rick O’Shays’s Hey – Jim Hemphill
October 10 – Victoria Fox with Rufous
- Easy Peasy – Diane Silver
- Harmony Supper Line – Jim Saxe
- Star Struck – Nick Boulet
- Love and Twirls – James Hutson
- Bev’s Becket A – Cary Ravitz
- Charismatic Megafauna – Linda Leslie
Set break - Minimum Fuss, Maximum Fun – Dean Snipes
- Another Flirty Attempt – Marian Hepburn
- MAD About Dancing – Robert Cromartie
- Stir Crazy – Erik Weberg
October 3 – Otho Sandwick with Swiftcurrent
- Foxglove – Tom Thoreau
- Good to Go – Bob Isaacs
- Bev’s Becket A – Cary Ravitz
- Trip to Peterborough – Rick Mohr
- Rocks and Dirt – Erik Weberg
- Homeward Bound – Andrea Nettleton
Set break - Kinematic Vorticity (variation) – Carol Ormand
- Bye Bye Baltimore – Bob Dalsemer
- A Sure Thing – Chris Page
- Gentle Surf – Bob Isaacs
September 26 – Valerie Cohen with Peter & the Wolftones
- Frederick Reel – Tom Hinds
- Simplicity Swing – Becky Hill
- Hey Gorgeous – Luis Gamez
- Jet Lag Rag – John Greene
- A Pirate’s Life for Me (variation) – Nathaniel Jack
- Friday Night Fever – Tony Parks
Set break - Folklife Frolic – Lindsay Dono
- Weave the Line – Kathy Anderson
- Wicked Smooth – Don Veino
- Happy Ending – Chris Weiler
September 19 – Suzanne Girardot with The Electrodes
- Forgotten Treasure – Beth Parkes
- First Hey – Paul Balliet
- Kitchen Stomp – Becky Hill
- Rock Creek Reel – David Harris
- Earl & Squirrel – Chris Weiler
- British Air – David Kaynor
Set break - Gene’s Valentine – Dean Snipes
- The 24th of June – Steve Schnur
- Seven Sevens – Jim Kitch
- Maggie’s Hobby – Bob Dalsemer
September 12 – Isaac Banner with The Nettles
- The Baby Rose – David Kaynor
- After the Solstice (variation) – Lisa Greenleaf
- Mendo Wanderer – Erik Hoffman
- The Carousel (variation) – Tom Hinds
- Cutler Coast – Dugan Murphy
- Frannie’s Frolic – Will Mentor
Set break - Hedgehog’s Favorite – Isaac Banner
- Surf’s Up – Bob Isaacs/A Crafty Wave – Nicholas Rockstroh
- Fake Chicken – Isaac Banner
- Maliza’s Magical Mystery Motion – Cary Ravitz
September 5 – Shannon Horst with Contra Quartet
- Breaking The Ice – Bob Isaacs
- Theory of Mind – David Smukler
- Last Hey – Isaac Banner
- Neighbor, Neighbor on the Wall – Maia McCormick
- Mirror, Mirror – Jim Kitch
- Maliza’s Magical Mystery Motion – Cary Ravitz
Set break - Wrinkled Ribbon – Melanie Axel-Lute
- Straighten Up and Slide Right – Lindsey Dono
- Steel Anniversary Reel – Rick Mohr
- A Grand Day Out – Chris Page
August 29 – Joe Micheals with SonoOnos
- Mamma Lou’s Reel – Gene Hubert
- Snake Dream II – Will Mentor
- Nice Combination – Gene Hubert
- Indian Summer – Tom Lehmann
- Mr. Issac’s Magic – Sue Rosen
Set break - Young at Heart – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Burning the Bacon – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Pushover (variation) – Peter Foster
- Square Affair – Becky Hill
August 22 – Abigail Hobart with Countercurrent
- The Baby Rose – David Kaynor
- Airpants – Lisa Greenleaf
- Box the Gnat – Becky Hill
- Black Mountain Reel – Tom Hinds
- The 24th of June – Steve Schnur
Set break - Larry Jenning’s Thursday Night Special #1 – Larry Jennings
- 20 Below – Bill Olson
- Craggy Gardens – Becky Hill
- Once More with Feeling – Isaac Banner
- Classic Contra – Pete Campbell
August 15 – Tom Wimmer with Betsy Branch & Larry Unger
- Contra Essentialism – Nicholas Rockstroh
- Another Wavy Line – Bob Dalsemer
- Camp Sertoma Farewell – Dean Snipes
- Trip to Margaree (variation) – Sue Rosen
- Centrifugal Hey – Gene Hubert
- Ellen’s Yarns – Rick Mohr
Set break - Susie’s Send-Off – Scott Higgs
- Barack Me, Obamadeus – Maia McCormick
- Cows Are Watching (variation) – Cary Ravitz
- Vote With Your Feet – Bob Isaacs
August 8 – Russell Owen w/ Dante and Eros Faulk
- Monday Night in Ballard – Mike Richardson
- Together At Last – Beau Farmer
- Susie’s Send-Off – Scott Higgs
- The Peacock Follows The Hen – Mike Richardson
- Strange Potatoes – Noah Grunzweig
- Ants Marching – Julian Blechner
Set break - Heart of Glass – Cary Ravitz
- Devil’s Backbone – William Watson
- Batja’s Breakup – Russell Owen
- Zag it Back – Jacqui Grennan
- Captain Hook’s Revenge – Yoyo Zhou
August 1 – Craig Wolfe w/ The Sage Thrashers
- Culver City Contra – James Hutson
- Roll in the Hey – Roger Diggle
- Be Reel – Will Mentor
- Steel Anniversary Reel – Rick Mohr
- Once More with Feeling – Isaac Banner
- In Cahoots – Rick Mohr
Set break - Chuck the Budgie – Rick Mohr
- The Reunion – Gene Hubert
- A Summer Night In Seattle – Mike Richardson
- Still More O’More – Jim Kitch
July 25 – Koren Wake w/ The Luddite Ramblers
- Early Bird Special – Tom Calwell
- Rollin’ & Tumblin’ – Cis Hinkle
- Power Surge – Bob Isaacs and Beth Brill
- Yoyo’s Ma – Susan Petrick
- Susie’s Send-Off – Scott Higgs
Set break - McKenzie River (variation) – William Watson
- Spring Break (variation) – Nils Fredland
- Chuck the Budgie – Rick Mohr
- Seven Sevens – Jim Kitch
- Maid Marian’s Fancy – David Smukler
July 18 – Ali Webb & Caitlin Bannan with Snail Haven!
First half (dances 1-5): Ali Webb
Second half (dances 6-10):- Caitlin Bannan
- Foxglove – Tom Thoreau
- Tika Tika Timing – Dean Snipes
- Solstice Special – Tony Parkes
- 32 Seconds – Tom Calwell
- Read Between the Lines – Bob Isaacs
Set break - Devious – Don Flaherty
- The Second Time Around – Jim Kitch
- Apples and Caramel – Seth Tepfer
- Hi Honey, How was Your Hey – Bob Isaacs
- A-1 Reel – Chris Weiler
July 11 – Elisabeth Monica with Natterjack
- The Big Easy – Becky Hill
- Festival Waves 1 – Will Mentor
- Craggy Gardens – Becky Hill
- I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter! – Maia McCormick
- Dance Both Rolls – Yoyo Zhou
Set break - Stephanie’s Star – Cary Ravitz
- A Crafty Wave – Nicholas Rockstroh
- Frannie’s Alarm Clock – Luke Donforth
- No Rest for the Weary – Andrea Nettleton and Jeffrey Spero
July 4 – No dance here
June 27 – Victoria Fox with Threebeard
- Back of the Envelope – Dugan Murphy
- Bubbly Beginnings – Isaac Banner
- Harmony Supper Line – Jime Saxe
- Step In Time (variation) – Jim Hemphill
- Kinematic Vorticity (variation) – Carol Ormand
- Vallimont’s Silver Hammer – Luke Donforth
Set break - Hotpoint Special – Joseph Pimental
- The Morning Commute (variation) – Chuck Abell & Bob Isaacs
- The Love Blender – Devin Nordson
- Homeward Bound – Andrea Nettleton
June 20 – Jesse Partridge with GinSu
- Easy ‘Nella – Peter Foster
- Last Hey – Isaac Banner
- Craggy Gardens – Becky Hill
- Rocket City Romp – Cis Hinkle
- Chris’s Poetic Orangutan – Yoyo Zhou
- Cheat Lake Twirl (variation) – Perry Shafran
Set break - Double Click – Bob Isaacs
- New England Sweethearts – Linda Leslie
- Jonesboro Way – Dean Snipes
- Zag It Back – Jackie Grennan
June 13 – Eric Curl with Bandwidth
- Simplicity Swing – Becky Hill
- Slapping the Wood – Don Flaherty
- MAD About Dancing – Robert Cromartie
- Turning Point – Gene Hubert
- Triskaidekaphobia – Kirston Koths
- Minimum Fuss, Maximum Fun – Dean Snipes
Set break - Double Cat Bounce – Chris Page
- Kitchen Stomp (variation) – Becky Hill
- Boys From Urbana- John Coffman
- Nice Combination – Gene Hubert
May 6 – Kelsey Hartman with George Wilson, Laurie Andres, & WB Reid
- Midwest Folklore – Orace Johnson
- Blackbird in the Night – Don Flaherty
- Delphiniums & Daisies – Tanya Rotenberg
- Once More With Feeling – Isaac Banner
- Twenty Ten – Sandy LaFleur
- Cal & Irene – Dan Pearl
Set break - Pizza Shop – Yoyo Zhou
- Fiddler’s Fling (variation) – Cary Ravitz
- Cows Are Watching – Bill Pope & Judy Goldsmith
- Working Stiff – John Coffman
- Lark in the Oven – Robert Cromartie
May 31- Ang DeCarlis with Raven & Goose
- Once More With Feeling – Isaac Banner
- Come At Me, Bro – Angela DeCarlis
- Harmony Supper Line – Jim Saxe
- Holy Cannoli – Don Veino
- Kiss and Tell – Angela DeCarlis
Set break - Fairport Harbor – Paul Balliet
- Princeton Petronellas – Bob Isaacs
- I’ll Meet You Back at the Beginning – Heather Carmichael
- The Hinge Binge – Bob Isaacs
May 23 – No dance
May 16 – Annie Kidwell with River Road
- Get Me Going – Lisa Greenleaf
- Trip to Falmouth – Linda Leslie
- Delphiniums & Daisies – Tanya Rotenberg
- Minimum Fuss, Maximum Fun – Dean Snipes
- Tall Paul’s Shop – Charlotte Crittenden
- Practice Petronella – Tom Lehmann
Set break - Not a Fever Dream – Maia McCormick
- Surfing the Cays – Isaac Banner
- Barack Me, Obamadeus – Maia McCormick
- Maliza’s Magical Mystery Motion – Cary Ravitz
May 9 – Abigail Golden with The Itsy Bitsy Spiders
- Pizza Shop – Yoyo Zhou
- Neighbor, Neighbor on the Wall – Maia McCormick
- Earl & Squirrel – Chris Weiler (guest caller Ben Douglas)
- A Thing of Trust – Chris Page
- Everything Old is New Again – Andrea Nettleton
- To Infinity and Beyond – Abigail Golden
Set break - Emma’s Emergency – Maia McCormick (guest caller Ben Douglas)
- Folklife Frolic – Lindsey Dono
- Robin on a Wire – Will Mentor
- Cows Are Watching – Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith
May 2 – Lindsey Dono with Contra Quartet
- Appetizer – Scott Higgs
- Leap of Faith – Bob Isaacs
- Bev’s Becket A – Cary Ravitz
- 334 – Diane Silver
- Unnamed mad robin dance by Will Mentor (very close to Mad Robin in Love by Greg Frock)
- Maliza’s Magical Mystery Motion (variation) – Cary Ravitz
Set break - Stars of Baughman Grange – Jan Larson
- Cup of Joe – Rick Mohr
- Quesadilla on the Half-Shell – Shannon Horst
- Diana’s Delight – Yoyo Zhou
- Chuck the Budgie – Rick Mohr
April 25 – Amy Wimmer with Raccoon Carnival
- Southern Swing – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Never Too Late – Tom Hinds
- In Cahoots – Rick Mohr
- Flying Flamingos – Cary Ravitz
- Still More O’More – Jim Kitch
Set break - Tika Tika Timing – Dean Snipes
- Ann Arbor 4 – Al Olson
- Wanda’s Whirl – Lindsey Dono
- Where Are The Owls? – Susie Kendig
April 18 – Suzanne Girardot with Fiddle Hellions
- Airpants – Lisa Greenleaf
- Kitchen Stomp – Becky Hill
- Dahlonega Cozy – Seth Tepfer
- Susitna Headwaters View – Debbie Welch
- Folklife Frolic – Lindsey Dono
- Young Adult Rose – David Kaynor
Set break - Redbeard Reel – Bob Isaacs
- Apples and Caramel – Seth Tepfer
- Snowball Shimmy – Seth Tepfer
- Heart of Glass – Cary Ravitz
- (Maybe?) Once More with Feeling – Isaac Banner
April 11 – Susan Petrick with Pachelbel’s Bazooka
- Bristol Court – Melanie Axel-Lute
- Stars in Our Eyes – Susan Moffett
- 24 Below – Melanie Axel-Lute
- All You Can Eat – Ted Crane
- Tunnel To California – Rick Mohr
- Melody’s Madness – David Glick
Set break - The Emptied Crack (variation) – Al Olson
- Fiddler’s Fling – Cary Ravitz
- Roll in the Clover – Rick Mohr
- Ramsay Chase – Joseph Pimentel
- Eight Years and Still Swinging – Bob Isaacs
April 4 – Sherry Nevins with Bison Socks
- Back of the Envelope – Dugan Murphy
- Trip to Magnolia – Isaac Banner & Sherry Nevins
- Back to Back (variation) – Isaac Banner
- Hot Buttered Rolls – Perry Shafran
- Hey in the Barn – Chuck Guthrie
- McKenzie River – William Watson
Set break - Al’s Advice – Paul Tyer
- Double Cat Bounce – Chris Page
- Bye Bye Shy Bear – Morna Leonard
- Fly Fisher’s Jig – Linda Leslie
March 28 – Carol Piening with The Electrodes
- Salmon Chanted Evening – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Ten Strings Attached – Charlie Fenton and Jim Saxe
- The Boys from Urbana – John Coffman
- Martha’s Choice – Gene Hubert
- Close Friends – Simone Verheyen (Ted Sanella variation)
- Jim’s Whim – Rich MacMath
Set break - Young at Heart – Steve Zakon-Anderson
- Sneak Preview – Claudio Buchwald
- Bevy of Butterflies – Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
- The Nice Combination – Gene Hubert
March 21 – Koren Wake with Wild Rosin
- Everybody Dance -Jim Hemphill
- Spend Some Time Together – Luke Donforth
- I’ll Hold You In My Arms – Maia McCormick
- What The Hey – Becky Hill
- Yoyo’s Ma – Susan Petrick
- Train Delay – Maia McCormick
Set break - Treasure of the Soda Bar – Maia McCormick
- Three of a Kind – Bob Isaacs
- The Morning Commute (Cis Hinkle variation) – Bob Isaacs & Chuck Abell
- Maid Marian’s Fancy – David Smukler
- David K’s Reel – Bob Isaacs
March 14 – Craig Wolfe with Indigo Bunting
- The Baby Rose – David Kaynor
- Al’s Safeway Produce – Robert Cromartie
- Apples & Chocolate – Sue Rosen
- The Black Lake Inlet of Dr. Joe Rush – Seth Tepfer
- Three Klicks North – Isaac Banner
- Mary Cay’s Reel – David Kaynor
Set break - Friday Night Fever – Tony Parks
- With Thanks to Barb & Sue – David Kaynor
- Be Reel – Will Mentor
- No Rest for the Weary – Andrea Nettleton & Jeff Spero
March 7 – Amy Wimmer, Isaac Banner, Shannon Horst, & Tom Wimmer with Countercurrent
- Contra Essentialism – Nicholas Rockstroh (called by Tom)
- You Can Get There From Here – Linda Leslie (called by Tom)
- Home Cooking – Don Flaherty (called by Isaac)
- Heartbreak Contra – Dugan Murphy (called by Isaac)
- 16 for Gregg – Luke Donforth (called by Isaac)
- Secret Ingredients – Isaac Banner (called by Isaac)
Set break - Crossing the Kelvin – Will Mentor (called by Amy)
- Square Affair (variation) – Becky Hill (called by Shannon)
- Mirror, Mirror – Jim Kitch (called by Shannon)
- Homeward Bound – Andrea Nettleton (called by Shannon)
February 28 – Koren Wake with CounterSutra
- First of November – Isaac Banner
- Spin Break – Claire Takemori
- Hay in the Barn – Chart Guthrie
- Woven Waves – Cary Ravitz
- The Second Time Around – Jim Kitch
- Charismatic Megafauna – Linda Leslie
Set break - Heartbeat Contra – Don Flaherty
- Frannie’s Frolic – Will Mentor
- Right Where We Belong – Isaac Banner
February 21 – Kelly Tabor with Hot Seat
- Day 13 – Kelly Tabor
- MAD About Dancing – Robert Cromartie
- Butter – Gene Hubert
- Alberta Street Contra – Rich Goss
- Hot Buttered Rolls – Perry Shafran
- Jubilation – Gene Hubert
Set break - A-1 Reel – Chris Weiler
- Contradiction – Don Flaherty
- Greenfield Petronella – Chris Ricciotti
- Train Delay – Maia McCormick
February 14 – Tom Wimmer with Soundspel
- May Day! (variation) – Bob Dalsemer
- Heartbeat Contra (variation) – Don Flaherty
- Streetsboro Daisies – Cary Ravitz
- Stars of Joy – Kate Chaitin
- Valerie’s 2nd Trip – Eric Weberg
Set break - Surfing the Set (variation) – Bob Isaacs
- A Thing of Trust – Chris Page
- Newlywed’s Jig – Mark Widmer
- Brad & Valerie’s Excellent Adventure (variation) – Mike Richardson
February 7 – No dance
January 31 – Joe Micheals with Sono Onos
- Star of the Show – Melanie Axel-Lute
- Thursday Night Special – Larry Jennings
- Indian Summer – Tom Lehman
- The 24th of June – Steve Schnur
- Greenfield Petronella – Chris Ricciotti
Set break - The Carousel – Tom Hinds
- A Sure Thing – Chris Page
- Square Affair – Becky Hill
January 24 – Elisabeth Monica with Rufous
- A-1 Reel – Chris Weiler
- Emma’s Emergency – Maia McCormick
- Becket in the Kitchen – Becky Hill
- Beetle in the Bed Sheets – Connie Carringer
- Penny Farthing – Moose Flores
Set break - Beaming Bob Green – John Coffman
- Martha and the Steel Penny – Bob Green
- Fake Chicken – Isaac Banner
- Aplets and Cotlets – Isaac Banner
January 17 – Jesse Partridge with Box Set
- After the Solstice – Lisa Greenleaf
- Pirouettes Four – Al Olsen
- Sarah’s Journey – Gene Hubert
- Marshmallows in Flight – Rich Goss
- Comfort Deluxe – Rick Mohr
- Brooklyn Transfer – Maia McCormick
Set break - Macadamia Nut – Jim Hemphill
- Robins on a Wire – Will Mentor
- Lisa’s Contra – Tom Hinds
- Superballin’ – Jack Laurel
January 10 – David Kreiss-Tomkins with Natterjack
- Foxglove – Tom Thoreau
- Becket in a Minute – Becky Hill
- Delphiniums &Daisies – Tanya Rotenberg
- Another Last Dance – Erik Hoffman
- Sadie at the Backdoor – Walter Daves
Set break - The Sturgeon General – Isaac Banner
- Straighten Up and Slide Right – Lindsey Dono
- Joel’s in the Kitchen – Sue Rosen
- Queen Bee – Adam Carlson
- Monday Night in Ballard – Mike Richardson
January 3 – Shannon Horst with The Hat Band
- Simplicity Swing – Becky Hill
- Heartbeat Contra – Don Flaherty
- 50/50 – Bob Isaacs
- Laura’s Secret Garden – Rich Goss
- Folklife Frolic – Lindsey Dono
- Last Hey – Isaac Banner
Set break - Green Lake twirl – Isaac Banner
- Chris’s Poetic Orangutan – Yoyo Zhou
- Medley
– Sponges & Spoons – Erik Hoffman
– Hook, Line, & Sinker – Bob Isaacs
– Earl & Squirrel – Chris Weiler - Cows Are Watching (variation) – Cary Ravitz